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IntelHub Presents: The Espionage Dilemma - Shared screen with speaker view
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21:33
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D.C. Rand
22:31
Perfect
Nicole Drumhiller
32:23
Beijing airport also has lots of signage that offers the warning of “no laughing” while travelers wait to get searched.
James A. Nelms
33:16
Wow that's kind of crazy
Nicole Drumhiller
34:42
Yeah, it can be challenging to take a group of students though that airport without incident.
James A. Nelms
35:06
I bet
X Reuben Patiño | BA ECON
35:20
I am interested in how sophisticated the biometric tech has become that mask and glasses still don't stop accurate reads. Whats the difference between China's facial recognition and the claims that the US has allegedly racially biased software?
FREDERIC MULIKA
36:10
The security agents in those nations are always watchful who enters their countries.
99752213350
36:49
Dr. Drumhiller, What is the reasoning behind "no laughing." Is it just to keep order?
Nicole Drumhiller
39:48
Yes I believe it was to maintain order vs “kill fun.” When our group was heading from Beijing to Xian our search line had 3 platforms that people had to stand on to get searched as well. I’m not convinced that it was to make the searching easier but instead more to add to the theater of security
X Reuben Patiño | BA ECON
40:29
Security Theater
FREDERIC MULIKA
40:40
Laughing and body language. China and Russia are watchful of western countries.
James A. Nelms
41:15
thats interesting because if we saw that sign here in the US, we would lose it
Nicole Drumhiller
42:25
@Nelms, the same happened in Beijing and not just with Americans. To avoid getting extra searched I refrained from taking a selfie with that sign.
James A. Nelms
43:23
I agree Ive been travelling since I was a child and my father always dressed me to fit in
X Reuben Patiño | BA ECON
43:44
how does one get involved in facial expression recognition? In Russia, culturally I heard to smile at strangers for not obvious reason was disrespectful and was akin to a signal of negativity, bad luck, or passing on a bad omen. Has anyone heard this before?
Nicole Drumhiller
46:00
@Patiño - it depends on the area of facial recognition. For example the Ekman group focuses on micro expressions and you can carry out training with them. Your question appears to be more cultural though which is another line of research.
X Reuben Patiño | BA ECON
50:43
Is the US at a disadvantage because of its "melting pot" belief about our society? I have witnessed a whole host of violations such as those reported about how "A UC Davis cancer researcher, suspected of being a clandestine member of the Chinese military, has taken refuge in the Chinese Consulate in San Francisco, according to U.S. prosecutors." Working in an out of the research community, many students believe they are clandestinely or not turned into unwitting spies even if they are against it. "The researcher, Juan Tang, is charged with visa fraud, accused of concealing her membership in China’s military and Communist Party in seeking permission to work in a radiation oncology lab at UC Davis. She fled to the consulate after being interviewed by FBI agents in late June, prosecutors said." At the end of the day, the US is giving spies visas? https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/uc-davis-researcher-accused-of-hiding-ties-to-chinese-military-is-hiding-in-consulate-us-says/ar-BB1775II
Robert Munger
52:09
Supply Chain vulnerabilities and hacking. Get into the supply chain and you can embed or deliberately manipulate communication devices and weapon systems. Gain a source that can penetrate the supply chain and you have opened the collection stream.
Brian Yaple
56:32
DoJ Case Against Juan Tang:https://www.justice.gov/usao-edca/pr/statement-arrest-juan-tang#:~:text=Juan%20Tang%2C%20a%20Chinese%20national%20and%20former%20researcher,on%20July%2027%20at%202%3A00%20PM.%20Attachment%20%28s%29%3ACharges dropped.
X Reuben Patiño | BA ECON
58:01
Nice!
X Reuben Patiño | BA ECON
58:12
Great follow up!
X Reuben Patiño | BA ECON
59:47
the charges were dropped.. interesting
Chance Faucett
01:00:36
Did your research lead you into a direction of state vs non-state recruiting?
X Reuben Patiño | BA ECON
01:01:01
I heard facial recognition on the iPhone was being unlocked by profile pictures on facebook?
Brian Yaple
01:01:18
But, taking the Juan Tang case as an example? How can we perform counterintelligence in academia? How can we identify foreign intelligent agents in virtual academic settings?
Brandon Alexander (DHS)
01:02:31
Good morning, you mentioned specific Russian folks taking batteries out of phones. Given the older age of these phones and devices can they be compromised with traditional methods of physically getting these devices and the data with in them?With new technology are we seeing incompatibilities with older data devices?
Nicole Drumhiller
01:03:08
In a meeting with government officials in China, our student group was given a swag bag that included a jump drive.
99752213350
01:04:03
Dr. Drumhiller, that is Alarming!!
Drew Smith
01:04:30
It seems like humint is being overtaken by data-int. with data refining becoming more and more efficient where does this leave humint strengths vs weaknesses? New opportunities?
Nicole Drumhiller
01:04:31
I did mention that everyone should fill that with glue and use it as a magnet instead for safety sake
andrew sadlowski
01:05:35
Are the costs to develop better technology to be better at espionage more than the savings that information gathered through espionage delivers?
Robert Munger
01:05:39
Just imagine all the swag the Olympians came home with in Feb.....
X Reuben Patiño | BA ECON
01:05:45
I heard Trump had a burner phone? Was this given to him by the Secret Service or was this off-the-books?
Lawrence Butts
01:06:07
Exactly! Burn young talent from the start.
Robert Munger
01:07:02
No, really, keep using Tik Tok...its fine!
James A. Nelms
01:07:45
Social media is killing the IC ability to recruit potential agents from universities normally used because the current generation has a large social media presence
X Reuben Patiño | BA ECON
01:07:54
Well how do we verify the hunter biden laptop is not hoax?
Nicole Drumhiller
01:08:35
Dr. Cunliffe made some important comments about ethical standards and the field of intelligence. As an example anthropologists have professional standards when it comes to working with governments yet the academic field of intelligence doesn’t have something like that in place. Its certainly something to consider what that might look like and the appropriateness of such standards.
Laura Hunter, Sr. Administrative Assistant
01:08:35
Please take a few moments to answer a quick survery regarding today's webinar!https://apussurveys.iad1.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_dcGqEnOGMs3XPXE
X Reuben Patiño | BA ECON
01:09:53
Could my computer be conducting spy operations, I have found out about bit or crypto mining happening on unsuspecting user? Can this be stopped by using a VPN?
X Reuben Patiño | BA ECON
01:10:07
OSINT
Brian Yaple
01:10:19
Thanks for covering my question!
X Reuben Patiño | BA ECON
01:10:38
Open-source intelligence
X Reuben Patiño | BA ECON
01:10:44
Yes,
X Reuben Patiño | BA ECON
01:10:56
counter-intelligence
X Reuben Patiño | BA ECON
01:11:05
counter-forensics is real
Nicole Drumhiller
01:11:14
Thank you everyone for joining us today! We look forward to seeing you again in May for the next IntelHub session! The recording will be added to the IntelHub website once its available.
andrew sadlowski
01:12:09
the billion dollar spy
X Reuben Patiño | BA ECON
01:12:20
wow, nice plug
Nicole Drumhiller
01:12:26
https://www.apus.edu/academic-community/intelhub/index
Robert Munger
01:12:57
Really well done! Thank you
X Reuben Patiño | BA ECON
01:12:59
It pays hug dividends to be a whitehat hacker!
Paul Gramolini
01:12:59
Thank You Dr. Cunliffe for an excellent presentation.
X Reuben Patiño | BA ECON
01:13:04
do the right thing!
X Reuben Patiño | BA ECON
01:13:14
Thank you SO much
Brian Yaple
01:13:17
Thanks you folks!
Lawrence Butts
01:13:20
Thank you!
99752213350
01:13:31
Thank you
Alison Becker
01:13:38
Thanks so much!
Ryan Getty
01:13:43
can you post the link to get the recording, please
Kyle Cunliffe
01:13:43
k.s.cunliffe@salford.ac.uk or kc314@leicester.ac.uk
Berkay Çil
01:13:45
thanks so much
X Reuben Patiño | BA ECON
01:13:56
Good to hear. Thank you so much!
Nicole Drumhiller
01:13:59
sgs@apus.edu
Aya Zahui
01:14:47
Check out my Facebook Page
Kevin Rucker
01:15:25
so we can request this zoom here: sgs@apus.edu?
Kevin Rucker
01:15:43
Ok thank you so much!
Quichau Pham
01:15:53
Great presentation Mr. Kyle. Thank you.
Chance Faucett
01:15:58
Thanks!